Is it the ling?

FISH · Jul 18, 2009

I have said since the first night i fished ling 4yr ago on the spwn beds that the kokes are in trouble,are we starting to see it yet? i would say we are last sat a buddy of mine got 13 off the island at anvil in 2hr 24-32''30+''ling can eat a 12'' koke no problem,and i have cleaned 100's with bass bows and kokes.one goodthing is with the high water fish have some cover again but i really think we are in trouble and there aint jack we can do but kill every one of them mo-fo's i hope to do another burbot bash this yr but we will have to see how things go.get involved and kill the hell out of them i really think the future of are great lake spawner kokes are in trouble. any thing glow from 1''-6'' works great fish from 60ft -8ft tip with sucker and craw scent fish just off the bottom and you will load up on the best eats in FG dark is the best time or as the sun goes down make sure you have a gps and a spot light to find your way home and a good head lamp will help kill'em all ASH off to scout a deerthumbsup

sounds fishy · Jul 19, 2009

Hey FISH, I'm on my way over to spend a couple days at the gorge. I have never fished for ling, but do have a couple fillets of sucker meat in the freezer. Do you have any more advice on techniques and where to target them? I'm not very familiar with the lake so maby some general areas or gps would be helpful. I'm with you though, lets try at the very least slow the ling down as much as possible.

FISH · Jul 19, 2009

Hey man there is no set spot just rocky points from the confluence to the dam now thay are in greater numbers still from anvil up stream the island at anvil is fishing good and all the cliffs and rocky points around holmes and buckboard are great spots it will take me some time to go find the way points that i have i only have 400+ marks on the gorge so if i can get some time i will do a little searching for some cordis for every one NO LAKER MARKS lmfao a real good spot to start is the spawning beds at holmes straight across from the boat ramp those are the areas we really need to pound hard starting soon mid aug i will be stocking up on meat for my hunts thay are some good eatin little buggers hope this helps in your quest to kill the lingkill'em all ASH

Kokaholic · Jul 19, 2009

Like Ash said, Any Rocky point or Rocky area that you can get on and set up at Dark. We have had good luck with the Radical glow jigs in 2 1/2 up to 5 inches. Get a bright hand held light to charge the jig up. recharge it quickly after each drop. Some sucker meat and some Crawfish scent really helps. Run it down to the bottom and come up a crank or two from the bottom. Sometimes they like it dead sticked and sometimes a little slight jigging motion will intice them to hit.

They are slimmy as heck. Have an old towel there to help with that issue on your boat. Remember, You cannot release them. You have to kill them and remove them from the lake. Get after them and kill them all to help save our kokes.

er-e-is · Jul 19, 2009

I don't believe the "Have to Kill Them" law is still in effect in Wyoming. There is no creel limit though.

Kokaholic · Jul 19, 2009

You could be right. But I am sure they still have the no release law in effect dont they? I sure hope so.

FISH · Jul 19, 2009

er-e-is said:
I don't believe the "Have to Kill Them" law is still in effect in Wyoming. There is no creel limit though.

yes there is no law against realesing them at this time. but if you like FG one bit you had better kill them you dont even have to take them home but take'em out of FG. the G&F screwed up when thay droped the must kill law Iam sure after talking with several wardens it will be in effect again in the 2010 regs i hope like hell. for those that think thay can live in the gorge come fish ling with me one night while the kokes are spawnin and when the bottom of the boat is full of koke eggs you will see what iam saying.most of the lakes that thay are in have pike,lakers,walleye we have one thing to help us at fg but the lakers cant do it alone.

sounds fishy · Jul 20, 2009

Thanks for the info guys, My kids and I will try and do our part, and believe me, if we get lucky enough to catch some, they'll be chillin on the grill, not back in the lake!

er-e-is · Jul 20, 2009

I agree 100% with keeping them all and I was not saying that you shouldn't. I think they should put the no release law back in effect.

Bduck · Jul 20, 2009

Tiger Trout

Also, don't forget that Utah DNR has planted Tiger Trout to help combat the lings. Its been a couple of years now so there should been some size to the Tigers now. They will be 'patroling' the some of shallow areas where ling like to hang as well. Has anyone caught a Tiger Trout out of the Gorge yet? They are planted in East Canyon Res. and the last one I caught a year ago was about a 1 1/2lbs. Hopefully, the Tigers will keep the ling in check in due time along with the fisherman banging on them.

FISH · Jul 20, 2009

Bduck said:
Also, don't forget that Utah DNR has planted Tiger Trout to help combat the lings. Its been a couple of years now so there should been some size to the Tigers now. They will be 'patroling' the some of shallow areas where ling like to hang as well. Has anyone caught a Tiger Trout out of the Gorge yet? They are planted in East Canyon Res. and the last one I caught a year ago was about a 1 1/2lbs. Hopefully, the Tigers will keep the ling in check in due time along with the fisherman banging on them.

thay cant plant enuf tiger trout AT 6-8'' THAY ARE JUST MORE FOOD FOR THE LING AND THE LAKERS.browns baby browns thats what we need in about the 10lb range and lots of them ya lets put a pile of predators in walleye next tiger musky and pike would be fun ya utah had a great idea to put smallies in yr ago and guess what happened the main food sourse the chub for the browns got wiped out.i dont know one person who has caught a tiger trout out of hear so that tells me thay was foodlaugh hyst

rowley · Jul 20, 2009

food for thought--what would happen if the ling had a bounty on them,
the person who turns in the highest number of ling in a year gets the pot,
say $5000--

Kokaholic · Jul 20, 2009

I like the idea. It would now be up to who is going to put up the pot. I know right now that unless you go live on the ice this winter, Fish will win it. I would wager that he probably iced over 1500 of them this last winter. I know when I was with him we slayed them.

Until you go fish for these things and see there bellies full of crawfish, rainbos, kokes and smallies, You cant even imagine what they are doing. it is scaary folks.

Bduck · Jul 20, 2009

FISH said:
thay cant plant enuf tiger trout AT 6-8'' THAY ARE JUST MORE FOOD FOR THE LING AND THE LAKERS.browns baby browns thats what we need in about the 10lb range and lots of them ya lets put a pile of predators in walleye next tiger musky and pike would be fun ya utah had a great idea to put smallies in yr ago and guess what happened the main food sourse the chub for the browns got wiped out.i dont know one person who has caught a tiger trout out of hear so that tells me thay was foodlaugh hyst

Well, at least that was DNR's intention. But you can't always depend on the states to make right decisions. We are on our way to paying for inspections of boats prior to launch. The mussels are coming.

binthere50 · Jul 20, 2009

How many lings would have to be killed to make a difference?
Is there a way to sterilize the current population?...Time to get biologists
involved, I think.....How about a $2.00 bounty on every ling tail turned in?
And then still pay the $5000.00 to whomever turns in the most tails by next Summer. Maybe Kokanee Power or some other local organization could collect the funds from fisherman(I'll donate $1000.00 right now) or someone collect the money (someone trustworthy that is) and we can
get this started ASAP....I can help with donating money, but I'm in Calif.
Just think if 10,000 lings were killled?, depending on the current population, would that even matter?.....I think it would.....would it be worth it?....Ask everyone who makes a living in connection to Kokanee fishing at Flaming Gorge, ask them if it would be worth it?.......just my 2 cents....

FISH · Jul 20, 2009

hell ya i will take every ones money in the last yr i have killed over 1500 and with alll the guys i have shown the ropes to i bet we are up around 5000 maybe more.I wish i would have kept dayliy stats it would scare the hell out of every one what the actual #'s are .I would like to find some cod traps and try that when a guy can catch 180+ in 6hrs i think with trapps we could double that in a night?I just dont know what the F&G would think about that maybe a good thing to chat with them about?

Kokanee Killer · Jul 20, 2009

here back east in lake erie burbot,cusk lawyer whatever you call them ,,, i agree kill em all,they sure do taste great,poor mans lobsterthumbsup

dbcfr · Jul 22, 2009

I will be out there at FG in a week.we will give this night time jigging a shot...I have 4 kids that just love to kill fish...And if they taste good all the better
Dave B <<<<< from the ocean knows how to kill fish...

How do Glow diamond jigs work on them and also glow swim tails?
getting them 10 at a time would work much better...just like a rock cod set up of the old days...10 circle hooks with swim tails and a diamind jig all glow and heavy line...I will give this a try when I am there and let you guys know...the big question is, is there a limit on the amount of hooks you can use at the Gorge or in UT / WY?

FISH · Jul 22, 2009

i beleave you can only have 3 hooks per line i maybe wrong but i will check it out sound like a hell of a rig your using i would like to see it . i do the best on a 5'' yammamoto glow grub tiped with sucker and smeely jelly crawfish i have fished it next to about every glow jig i can find and the gary's seem to be the best i was going to go out tonight but i sat at the hpouse and did honey does till it was time to go look at deer it was to windy didnty see much tonight if this wind would die down i would go out and get some fresh meat and pics to show what a pig these things are guts full as thay can get and all thay want to do is keep eating i did try casting for them a week ago but i was to drunk to cast laugh hyst thay are the best eating fish in FG hands down and a lot of people will back me on that.thumbsupgood luck hope you take a pile home with you.ash

dbcfr · Jul 22, 2009

Ash,
we will try and get some on the nights we can we have a house boat for a week on the Gorge starting on the 3rd of Aug. Our boat name is "Bite Me" we will have the VHF radio on Ch 16...
Do They taste like Ling Cod that are in the ocean?
if so you should get a com.permit and sell them to a fish market. Big $$$ in that. Put some of the money back in to the Koknee fishery
Dave B
I will bring a few heavy Jig sticks with me and we will play a few nights and I will keep count and let you know.

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