thumbsup Thank-you for the links and the information. It is nice being a informed consumer. For me Singlers was polite but would not take a trade in. Clemens Marine in Portland shared a wealth of information and it felt like the guy behind the counter was honest and trustworthy. I felt very comfortable there. At the end Clemens told me they could not touch the price that Pacific Boatland in Vancouver was giving me. Even after paying the Washington Sales Tax, Pacific Boatlands quote is better then I could find anywhere. Including on line. Dragonfly, your information has made me confident that I am getting a fair deal.