Both Utah and Wyoming permits are now available. Having just acquired both this morning, I have to laugh at each State's approach to protecting its waters. Utah has a very educational approach and requires you to pass a test. Wyoming has no other requirement than your credit card number. Oh, and Utah's permit is free. stomper
2011 Aquatic Invasive Species
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Propnut69
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Dave, what program do you feel does a better job at helping keep AIS out of the gorge, Utah or Wyoming?
gonefishing
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Well, sense I fished all four of these states last year, this is how I sum up the Invasive species programs by these 4 states. This was just personal experience.
Cost
Idaho> Cost Less
Oregon> Cost More
Wyoming> Cost the Most
Utah > Free and the only one providing eduaction at the time of permit acqusition.
Performace by each state.
Idaho> State line inspection for out of state boats and wash down at some lakes.
Oregon> No inspection during my trips
Wyoming> No inspections during my trips (Buckboard Marina)
Utah> Inspection looking for permits at the Gorge. (Lucern Marina)
No complaints in this message intended, just how it was for me!
Happy fishing in 2011 Everyone 101chromefish101
Cost
Idaho> Cost Less
Oregon> Cost More
Wyoming> Cost the Most
Utah > Free and the only one providing eduaction at the time of permit acqusition.
Performace by each state.
Idaho> State line inspection for out of state boats and wash down at some lakes.
Oregon> No inspection during my trips
Wyoming> No inspections during my trips (Buckboard Marina)
Utah> Inspection looking for permits at the Gorge. (Lucern Marina)
No complaints in this message intended, just how it was for me!
Happy fishing in 2011 Everyone 101chromefish101
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Bduck
Flaming Gorge Forum MODERATOR
Trying to make sense out of 2 states sharing same waterbody can be baffling. Flaming Gorge is in the middle of US Forest Service land which there is a fee for the feds for usage. The state of Wyoming charges a fee to put a sticker on a boat and they don't require you to read the book on AIS to get this sticker. On the other hand, Utah has the educational approach and you must pass get 100% to get the certificate. But the test is designed to make sure you pass even if it takes you 5hrs to complete. Both states have a Reciprocity stamp for which is a $10 fee to fish each others state. There needs to be a common ground on who is running what. AIS seems to be more of a federal issue now rather than running into snags going from state to state. There is something about crossing state lines that would make it interstate.
gonefishing
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I would like one simple comment from some one or from a state agency (involved in the program), that would tell us all, where our money is going.
What is it spent on. How is this going to make a difference with invasive species. 101smily101
I am in favor of contibuting to the protection of our fishing waters, but is that where the money is going ??????????????????????101shock1101
Waiting for good information or am I beating a dead101horse101
What is it spent on. How is this going to make a difference with invasive species. 101smily101
I am in favor of contibuting to the protection of our fishing waters, but is that where the money is going ??????????????????????101shock1101
Waiting for good information or am I beating a dead101horse101
smokin' Kokes
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should see the IS program in Colorado. fancy powered spray trailer at every boat launch with volunteers that think their Matt Dillion packin a hog leg.
cell phones to call Wildlife and State Police.
go over the boat like vultures. one tiny black spec and the shhiite hits the fan.
drop of wet inside and break out the bleach
Idaho inspects at freeway rest areas with transit seals put on bow hook.
down in Calif. this winter. the mussels are wiping out boating and fishing in lots of lakes now. can't even launch from some ramps because of massive shoals of mussel shells
only lake that is totally safe is the Great Salt.
cell phones to call Wildlife and State Police.
go over the boat like vultures. one tiny black spec and the shhiite hits the fan.
drop of wet inside and break out the bleach
Idaho inspects at freeway rest areas with transit seals put on bow hook.
down in Calif. this winter. the mussels are wiping out boating and fishing in lots of lakes now. can't even launch from some ramps because of massive shoals of mussel shells
only lake that is totally safe is the Great Salt.
Bduck
Flaming Gorge Forum MODERATOR
There are numerous lakes back east that is infected. Slowly these mussels have made their debut in the west not as bad whats back east but its getting into our systems in the west. Each state has its own way to rid what they think is the best way of mussels but so far I haven't seen a proven method when the season for boating is in its prime. So far what it has done is fueled tempers with the public. If someone wanted contaminate a watershed, they don't need a boat to do it. The Burbot in Flaming Gorge are after all taking over. So far, I do like the education program in place that Utah has elected this route to go. They haven't opted for fees yet. But that eventually comes to a halt when its costing them to put out a questionaire at all launch sites. It doesn't take much for a terrorist to act upon our lakes. This is a common ground that all states have and eventually with each state working with the mussel problem, one of them just might find a solution that will be shared throughout. This is just the beginning stages of experimental programs.
Kokaholic
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based on my experiece last year with lauching at both Utah and Wyoming, I would say that Wyoming was more involved with checking than Utah. One Morning while Launching at Halls Crossing In July, I was checked by wyoming from top to bottom. took about 10 minites and went smoothly.
I wish I could say the same on the utah side. I seen them there, young kids that would check for your paper, but not much more.
Just my two cents worth
I wish I could say the same on the utah side. I seen them there, young kids that would check for your paper, but not much more.
Just my two cents worth
Propnut69
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Well said Mark,,,,,,,,,having a person actually do a inspection of boat and trailer,has to be more of a deterrent then just looking at some words on a piece of paper. Wyoming has to many boaters coming from infected waters,to take a chance with just a written test. IMO it won't be long before Utah will have a fee program for AIS, Then hopefully they will have personnel doing actual inspections .States that do not have infected waters yet, have to be as proactive as possible to stop the inevitable from happening. I think its just a matter of time before the gorge will become infected with AIS. But why wait til there is a problem? All of us as sportsmen should do our part to help stop another great fishery from becoming infected.
Kokaholic
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Exactly. Yes, it sucks paying for the sticker and doing all of this stuff on line to do it. Its called responsability. There are to many folks that think that all of this stuff doesnt pertain to them. They dont want to do their part to help keep OUR waters from being infected. But soon as it happens and their boat gets jacked up, WHOOOOOOO we hold on Alice. They will scream and carry on like a litttle girl that they have to pay out all of tis money to a mechanic.
so.............................. PAy the man for your sticker if you want to play.
so.............................. PAy the man for your sticker if you want to play.
Bduck
Flaming Gorge Forum MODERATOR
You are guys are right about inspections. This questionaire in Utah can easily be posted with the answers available to the each and every question. This doesn't prove anything let alone getting proper education out there. Boating times are going to get tough eventually so there is no need to be putting off the inevitable. Utah needs to stay clean as long as it can and on sight inspections will be the answer. I can handle an annual $5 residentual fee & $30 non-res like Wyoming. But I don't see a need in paying seperate fees to 2 states that share one body of water when you are a resident of one of the states. YEP, those critters are coming. 101no101 101no101 101no101
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Kokaholic
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I agree with you Roger. Waters that share both states like flaming Gorge, Bear Lake, Lake Powell and others need to work with each state to " get it together" and get one single standard. If those who use these waters will do their part, it will make it easier for all of us.
The gorge is a classic example. it is so easy to come in there and drop in late at night, early morning or even in the middle of the night to avoid being stopped and checked. If the states want to really "do something" to stop the spread of this, they will pony up the cash and man power to be out there when they need to be and do these inspections.
The gorge is a classic example. it is so easy to come in there and drop in late at night, early morning or even in the middle of the night to avoid being stopped and checked. If the states want to really "do something" to stop the spread of this, they will pony up the cash and man power to be out there when they need to be and do these inspections.
smokin' Kokes
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Utah's already infested by mussels and they're on the spread.
http://wildlife.utah.gov/news/08-11/zebra_electric.php
A small, high-mountain lake in central Utah is the first body of water in Utah to test positive for zebra mussels. The Division of Wildlife Resources announced Nov. 18 that zebra mussel DNA has been found in water samples taken from Electric Lake.
Electric Lake is in Emery County. The lake is the headwater of the Huntington River. It's also the water source for Rocky Mountain Power's Huntington electric generation plant and the primary source of water for the Huntington-Cleveland Irrigation Company.
"These mussels will harm the lake's fishery" says Larry Dalton, aquatic invasive species coordinator for the DWR. "They also have the potential to damage the electric generation plant and the irrigation systems by plugging up their pipes."
http://wildlife.utah.gov/news/08-10/quagga_update.php
The DWR has received conflicting results from samples taken at Red Fleet Reservoir in northeastern Utah, Electric Lake in southeastern Utah and the stretch of the Colorado River near Moab.
Work done under a microscope at one laboratory, and DNA test results from a second lab, indicated the samples contained veligers. But DNA results from a third lab said the samples did not contain veligers.
At two additional waters in northeastern Utah, Pelican Lake and Midview Reservoir, work done under a microscope at one lab indicated that both waters had veligers. But DNA tests at both the second and third labs indicated the waters did not have veligers in them.
Additional DNA testing is taking place at both waters. In the meantime, Midview Reservoir, which is on Ute tribal land, was closed to boating by the Ute tribe. For more information about boating and fishing at Midview and Bottle Hollow reservoirs, call (435) 722-5511.
"Lake Powell is another water we're concerned about," Dalton says. "It's a popular boating water and receives boaters from all across the West. Many of those boaters arrive from nearby waters, such as Lake Pleasant, Lake Havasu and Lake Mead. All three of these waters have quagga mussels in them."
Quagga and zebra mussels were not found in Lake Powell this summer, but conflicting microscope and DNA test results did occur in 2007.
Because the lake faces so many threats from mussels, DWR and National Park Service personnel at the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area will ramp up their already intense efforts to manage boaters and the mussel threat.
"Now that quagga and zebra mussels have been confirmed in the Colorado River's headwaters, and quagga mussels might be in the Colorado River near Moab, the threat to Lake Powell has increased again."
http://wildlife.utah.gov/news/08-11/zebra_electric.php
A small, high-mountain lake in central Utah is the first body of water in Utah to test positive for zebra mussels. The Division of Wildlife Resources announced Nov. 18 that zebra mussel DNA has been found in water samples taken from Electric Lake.
Electric Lake is in Emery County. The lake is the headwater of the Huntington River. It's also the water source for Rocky Mountain Power's Huntington electric generation plant and the primary source of water for the Huntington-Cleveland Irrigation Company.
"These mussels will harm the lake's fishery" says Larry Dalton, aquatic invasive species coordinator for the DWR. "They also have the potential to damage the electric generation plant and the irrigation systems by plugging up their pipes."
http://wildlife.utah.gov/news/08-10/quagga_update.php
The DWR has received conflicting results from samples taken at Red Fleet Reservoir in northeastern Utah, Electric Lake in southeastern Utah and the stretch of the Colorado River near Moab.
Work done under a microscope at one laboratory, and DNA test results from a second lab, indicated the samples contained veligers. But DNA results from a third lab said the samples did not contain veligers.
At two additional waters in northeastern Utah, Pelican Lake and Midview Reservoir, work done under a microscope at one lab indicated that both waters had veligers. But DNA tests at both the second and third labs indicated the waters did not have veligers in them.
Additional DNA testing is taking place at both waters. In the meantime, Midview Reservoir, which is on Ute tribal land, was closed to boating by the Ute tribe. For more information about boating and fishing at Midview and Bottle Hollow reservoirs, call (435) 722-5511.
"Lake Powell is another water we're concerned about," Dalton says. "It's a popular boating water and receives boaters from all across the West. Many of those boaters arrive from nearby waters, such as Lake Pleasant, Lake Havasu and Lake Mead. All three of these waters have quagga mussels in them."
Quagga and zebra mussels were not found in Lake Powell this summer, but conflicting microscope and DNA test results did occur in 2007.
Because the lake faces so many threats from mussels, DWR and National Park Service personnel at the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area will ramp up their already intense efforts to manage boaters and the mussel threat.
"Now that quagga and zebra mussels have been confirmed in the Colorado River's headwaters, and quagga mussels might be in the Colorado River near Moab, the threat to Lake Powell has increased again."
smokin' Kokes
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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=4865765&nid=148
For the last couple of years, the state has focused prevention efforts on boaters. But now experts think it's unlikely boats had anything to do with the contamination at Electric Lake. Turns out, the mussels may have sneaked into Utah because of drilling activity.
Electric Lake was considered one of the least likely places to find zebra mussels. "It was low-risk because it really doesn't get very many boaters," explained Dan Keller, invasive species biologist, with the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.
Keller still hasn't found any adult zebra mussels, but genetic tests confirm they are present in the lake. "It's definitely discouraging. We've been working very hard to keep them out," he said.
The biological evidence strongly suggests they've been here at least two years, which is why the experts don't believe they came in on a boat.
Until this year, the boat ramp was high and dry because of drought. Most boats here are small and local, not from out of state. But drilling for energy resources is common in the area, and drill rigs use water trucks that may have filled at Electric Lake.
"Those water trucks quite often come from out of state. They could have had residual water in their tanks, brought it back here to electric lake and inadvertently dropped some of that water into Electric Lake," Keller explained.
For the last couple of years, the state has focused prevention efforts on boaters. But now experts think it's unlikely boats had anything to do with the contamination at Electric Lake. Turns out, the mussels may have sneaked into Utah because of drilling activity.
Electric Lake was considered one of the least likely places to find zebra mussels. "It was low-risk because it really doesn't get very many boaters," explained Dan Keller, invasive species biologist, with the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.
Keller still hasn't found any adult zebra mussels, but genetic tests confirm they are present in the lake. "It's definitely discouraging. We've been working very hard to keep them out," he said.
The biological evidence strongly suggests they've been here at least two years, which is why the experts don't believe they came in on a boat.
Until this year, the boat ramp was high and dry because of drought. Most boats here are small and local, not from out of state. But drilling for energy resources is common in the area, and drill rigs use water trucks that may have filled at Electric Lake.
"Those water trucks quite often come from out of state. They could have had residual water in their tanks, brought it back here to electric lake and inadvertently dropped some of that water into Electric Lake," Keller explained.
smokin' Kokes
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Bduck
Flaming Gorge Forum MODERATOR
We have actually 3 lakes that has tested positive. Just a matter of time before more will.
BROWNBAGGER
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I would like to see some of the money charged for the AIS program used to find a so called vaccine, a cure for these mussle's. The problem is here just like the flu, now treat it.
Tuna On
Christenson's Lake Shore Tackle
The Utah water's that have tested positive for mussel DNA has not actually seen Mussels. They have only tested positive for the eggs on one test and was put on the list as a safe measure. We probably will never see mussels in these lakes unless someone else brings them in. As for the one Mussel they did find in southern Utah, it was dead and glued on the boat it was found on. As for the boater's launching we need to give these people respect cause I watch over and over agian last year on the Utah side that no one cared and did not want to spend the time to do anything about it. This is a serious issue and if it get's in the Gorge say goodbye to the Kokanee fishing FOREVER.
