Hook Orientation on hoochie rigs....Question

[KokeRook]

Yet another Konkanee rookie fishing question: thanks for the help.

When river fishing with double hooks I have always oriented the hooks to face different directions to aide in hook ups (granted this was generally used when fishing salmon and steelhead roe).

Some of the videos on kokanee rigs I have seen this was not the case (both hooks facing same way).

The rigs I have tied since getting into this obsession a few weeks ago have the opposite orientation, as the purple haze hoochie rig in the below picture has.

So the question is: Do you tie your double hook rigs for Kokanee with the hooks facing oposite directions or the same direction..IF the same direction....What is the reasoning?

Thanks so much for the help...
BTW: as you can see by my questions posted since joining the site I have a bit of an OCD tendency towards detail. It is a curse at times...but also a benefit at times

 

[kok-head]

Lots of info on the site on this one, search "double hook rigging" and you'll see that it really comes down to personal preference, I rig mine facing the same direction because that's what SilverBullets does

 

[eenakoK]

I have done both. My success is about the same either way. I started tying them the same way because storing them is easier..

 

[KokeRook]

Agreed Eenakok...agree with the storage....hard to break the river fishing habbit though...I'll give it a shot.


thanks for the help again guys...much apprecieated.

 

[DLM]

I try to tie mine facing the same direction but sometimes if I am not paying attention they get a little cockeyed and I don't let it bother me.

Another part of placement is where the front hook is in relation to the hoochie skirt. In front of my hooks I place a rubber bobber stopper (try saying that three times fast). The bobber stopper then goes into the nose of the hoochie and I can slide it up or back to adjust so the bend of the front hook is just at the end of the hoochie skirt. I feel this gives the fish a cleaner shot at the hook/bait. I don't know how sound my reasoning is, but it works for me.

I found a pic to illustrate my hook placement. As you can see, one is a little further back than the other but that is easily fixed by sliding the stopper.

 

[downriggeral]

Great info DLM. What brand is the orange/yellow dodger, don't think I've seen that one.

Thanks - Alan

 

[eenakoK]

Great info DLM. What brand is the orange/yellow dodger, don't think I've seen that one.

Thanks - Alan

That is a Shasta Tackle Dodger I believe

 

[DLM]

The dodger you can get rigged from Shasta and I think you can still get them without rigging from Jans Netcraft and maybe Hagens.

The other dodger is one that I removed some old ladder back tape from and replaced it with some UV tape.

The hoochies are from Rocky Mountain tackle, I think it is the orange haze color.

 

[Winterun]

Yet another Konkanee rookie fishing question: thanks for the help.

When river fishing with double hooks I have always oriented the hooks to face different directions to aide in hook ups (granted this was generally used when fishing salmon and steelhead roe).

Some of the videos on kokanee rigs I have seen this was not the case (both hooks facing same way).

The rigs I have tied since getting into this obsession a few weeks ago have the opposite orientation, as the purple haze hoochie rig in the below picture has.

So the question is: Do you tie your double hook rigs for Kokanee with the hooks facing oposite directions or the same direction..IF the same direction....What is the reasoning?

Thanks so much for the help...
BTW: as you can see by my questions posted since joining the site I have a bit of an OCD tendency towards detail. It is a curse at times...but also a benefit at times

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KokeRook,
I tie my double hook rigs the same way you do, opposing each other, maybe a touch more spacing between the hooks, and maybe a bit more of the bottom hook exposed to increase bite surface area. Nice hooks by the way!!!
Winterun

 

[Kokanee-Toni]

I feel the best orientation for hooks on a lure are IN THE MOUTH

 

[KokeRook]

KokeRook,
I tie my double hook rigs the same way you do, opposing each other, maybe a touch more spacing between the hooks, and maybe a bit more of the bottom hook exposed to increase bite surface area. Nice hooks by the way!!!
Winterun

yeah...some "dude" gave me a tip on these hooks.. One more bead ought to do it for the bottom hook...Still getting the hang of these rigs. As you know with double steelhead rigs there is more gap. Many Koke rigs I have seen the hooks ever overlap a great deal.

and Toni....as usual..you are correct

 

[downriggeral]

I totally agree with Toni ! Fish On......

 

[kok-head]

I feel the best orientation for hooks on a lure are IN THE MOUTH

I disagree, if they are only in the mouth then the fish have a chance to get away and not be in my smoker, I prefer the hooks grabbing anything but the inside of the mouth

 

[SilverBullets]

My main concern when tieing up double hook rigs is lure action... at least for apex's. I like them in the same direction when loaded with corn... seems to track better with less rolls. That said, the majority of the hook-ups are on the front hook and the trailer catches itself on the outside of the mouth once in a while during the fight. For those that rigg them opposite do you see the trailer embedded very often?

 

[kok-head]

I have some lures that I was careless on and the hooks happened to point the opposite direction and I have noticed less of a tendency for the stinger hook to grab anything

 

[SuperD]

I much prefer the hooks opposing so I have a chance of top and bottom jaw hook ups. Hooks in the snout usually don't come out.

 

[KokeRook]

Thanks for you input Super D and all!

 

[SilverBullets]

I much prefer the hooks opposing so I have a chance of top and bottom jaw hook ups. Hooks in the snout usually don't come out.

If your talking both hooks on the inside of the mouth how's that working out? The reason i ask is i can't remember ever having to remove both hooks from inside... usually they strike and hook themself on the front hook and the back hook sometimes gets embedded on the outside on the face. If your getting both inside the mouth what type of hooks/size are you useing?

 

[SuperD]

Imagine both hooks inline, inside the fish's mouth and pulling away. The front hook embeds in the jaw and basically blocks the back hook from ever making real contact. To somewhat correct my statement above, any offset at all is better than straight inline IMO. The downside is when fishing with big kokes like at the Gorge. Getting 2 hooks out of the mouth of one of those beasts usually means a lure change due to a lost hook while trying to get the hooks out of their mouth. My standard hook is a #4 sickle hook.

 

[SilverBullets]

Imagine both hooks inline, inside the fish's mouth and pulling away. The front hook embeds in the jaw and basically blocks the back hook from ever making real contact. To somewhat correct my statement above, any offset at all is better than straight inline IMO. The downside is when fishing with big kokes like at the Gorge. Getting 2 hooks out of the mouth of one of those beasts usually means a lure change due to a lost hook while trying to get the hooks out of their mouth. My standard hook is a #4 sickle hook.

Interesting... my hook-up experience is mainly from trolling apex's. Now i'm thinking lure type/action/speed really dictate how they hit. Have the hook-ups like you mentioned been on one particular kind of lure?