I run them behind dodger's but they can also be used without. A longer leader is generally used since the lure has alot of action of it's own. They can be used with hoochies but be careful...the hoochie can ruin the action (best to check what it's doing along side the boat before letting it down.) Check out the set-up at the bottom of this page... http://www.captaindownriggins.com/Rigging.htm