Long lining Kokanee rod

[Trolling in the deep]

Me and my buddy so far have only been long lining for Kokanee the last couple of summers and he has not put down riggers on his boat as of yet even though he has two sitting in his garage. I am looking and wondering if their is a long lining rod that is somewhere between a Okuma SST Kokanee rod made from graphite and the extremely fun/noodley Jared Johnson Team Kokanee Red Rod from Lamiglas. I own both and am looking for one closer to the Lamiglas but with the back bone of the Okuma to handle from 3/4 ounce up to 3-4 ounce's max of a ball sinker on a slider while long lining. I am wondering about the new CGR 802L Jared Johnson rod has any more back bone than the red one but comparing them at Sportsman's Warehouse they pretty much feel the same to me. Any ideas? .101chromefish101


10-27-13 I was thinking about my post today and decided what I should of asked which would of made more sense was what does everyone recommend for a longlining Kokanee rod that is better and more sensitive than a Okuma SST Kokanee rod??? I own this rod and like it a lot but feel there is or has to be something better in the longlining rod category.

 

[downriggeral]

In my opinion heavy lead and noodle (kokanee) rods are not a good match. Jet divers or Dipsy divers along with rods paired for the same work and Okuma makes an e-glass to do this: CP-DD-902M, Dipsy Diver, 9' 2-Pc. , Medium.

Another option is to use a Bud's Diver without the wing and attach a Dipsy Diver to it in place of the weight. The advantage is the Bud's has a built in line release allowing a setback as far as you want from the diver and the Dipsy unloads when you get a fish on allowing minimal drag from the system....very cool! Bud's Diver can be seen at : http://www.axtackle.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Bdsdvr
thumbsup Alan

 

[Trolling in the deep]

In my opinion heavy lead and noodle (kokanee) rods are not a good match. Jet divers or Dipsy divers along with rods paired for the same work and Okuma makes an e-glass to do this: CP-DD-902M, Dipsy Diver, 9' 2-Pc. , Medium.

Another option is to use a Bud's Diver without the wing and attach a Dipsy Diver to it in place of the weight. The advantage is the Bud's has a built in line release allowing a setback as far as you want from the diver and the Dipsy unloads when you get a fish on allowing minimal drag from the system....very cool! Bud's Diver can be seen at : http://www.axtackle.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Bdsdvr
thumbsup Alan

Hmmmm, I will have to check that out thanks. Although I did use my Lamiglas CGR 762L Jared Johnson Team Kokanee Red rod with up to 2oz's of lead ball weight on a slider type set up and it worked just fine but a stiffer rod would of been better for sure. If that rod only had more back bone like the Okuma sst Kokanee rod I also use it would be perfect. lol

 

[Trolling in the deep]

Not quite sure I get how that works. I get how the Bud's Diver works but doesn't the dipsy diver just do the same basic thing plus it has weight in it so would't just using like a 1 oz weight and adjusting the wing on the Bud's diver do the trick?

 

[downriggeral]

Using the Bud's WITHOUT the wing reduces the drag and the line release allows adjustable set back just like a downrigger. Attaching the Dipsy to it in place of the lead weight gives the advantage controlled depth and reduced drag when playing the fish as it also trips when "fish on".

 

[Trolling in the deep]

I was thinking about my post today and decided what I should of asked which would of been simpler was what does everyone recommend for a longlining Kokanee rod that is better and more sensitive than a Okuma SST Kokanee rod??? I own this rod and like it a lot but feel there is or has to be something better in the longlining rod category. But I might very well still get a buds diver to mess around with next season.

 

[downriggeral]

You may need a medium rod with a soft tip to pull the lead around. Don't overlook the Shakespear Ugly stick in this catagory. Also the Cabellas Whippin Stick. Just a thought - Alan

 

[SuperD]

My recommendation is to volunteer to help your buddy install his downriggers. Why compromise your fishing enjoyment with a longline (stiffer) rod? And you're spending money to have less fun. That just makes no sense.

 

[downriggeral]

Super D Why didn't I think of that? Best idea of the whole bunch! Been salmon fishing too much and got the brain locked in to back-trolling KwickFish in the Columbia.

 

[Trolling in the deep]

Less fun? I highly doubt that. I always have fun fishing even if I don't catch a thing. Still better than the best day at work. But absolutely will help him put the down riggers on before next season or keep suggesting it at least and hopefully talk him into better boat seats too. But I will tell you we had so much more fun this year since we quit using snubbers on our long lining poles. It appears we really didn't need them, silly us. But since I already have a great down rigger rod that will handle dragging around up to 2oz's of lead I still want a softer more sensitive long lining graphite pole and I will check out the ugly stick and the whupin stick for sure but I was also thinking about a Lamiglas one I found on line the X11 LX 702 ULC 7' 1/8-1/2 lure weight 2-8lb line weight and moderate/fast action but what confuses me is it says the power is trout/panfish? Not sure about that one but I will check this rod out if I can find it on a store shelf. Thanks for all the help fellas I just wish someone made a spiral wrap pole for long lining the Vance's pole is a bit soft for that I hear.

 

[SuperD]

Less fun? I highly doubt that.

You've already spent the gas and launch money and you have a choice between catching that 14" fish on a broom stick or an ultra light. Yeah, less fun. I didn't say no fun. ;-)

 

[Trolling in the deep]

It's all fun and the okuma sst Kokanee rod that I already have is nowhere close to being a broomstick but I do hope to find something a little better and I do own a down rigger pole which is definitely fun as well but if I could find one in between those two poles would be great. Guess time will tell huh?

 

[Trolling in the deep]

So far my research is pointing me toward the Shimano Talora Kokanee rod TLA7OUL2 which is 7'long, UL power and a med/slow action. I know it's a graphite rod and not a fiberglass downrigger rod which most of you would prefer but that is what I am looking for to longline with,do any of you own this rod and how do you like it? On my next day off I will go see if I can find it at a store here in Bend so I can hold it in my grubby little paws and get a feel for it. I also wonder if it is better than the Okuma SST kokanee rod or are they about the same?

 

[SuperD]

Have you felt a Kufa rod? And to your comment about a spiral, Vance has different weight blanks so you could speak to him about whether he has a specific blank to match your needs.

 

[Trolling in the deep]

Have you felt a Kufa rod? And to your comment about a spiral, Vance has different weight blanks so you could speak to him about whether he has a specific blank to match your needs.

No I have not but I know that Kokaneemart sells them and I have not came across them here in Bend, Oregon . But I had sent a email to Vance's about the spiral rod and apparently they don't answer or read their emails. So that's not good.

 

[Trolling in the deep]

Yeah I have checked them out and they do have a great price tag on them , time will tell what I finally decide on and thanks to all for the advice.

 

[SuperDaveMT]

Consider investing in a clamp on downrigger - scotty and cannon both make a version. With a downrigger ball and a release (I like the Chamberlain release - expensive but very effective) your in for about $125 - $140 maybe less if you can find one on e-bay or craigslist or the KFF classifieds. I attach my flashers to the ball and only have the bait itself (or maybe a small dodger) and the fish to fight. Maybe if your buddy sees how much fun you have on the light rods it will motivate him to install the downriggers.

 

[SuperDaveMT]

I checked E-Bay and there is currently a cannon mini troll with the accessory kit (rod holder, ball, release) - expires in 2 days - current bid was $51 + $15 shipping

 

[Trolling in the deep]

Shoot he catch's more fish than I do most of the time longlining and we do the same things/same koke rods. I think it has more to do with his rods are off the back of the small 14 foot boat and mine is off to the right side from the middle. He has a couple downriggers someone sold or gave him and has not put them on yet. I am still asking him about putting them on for next year but even if he doesn't I know we will still have a great time and catch a lot of kokes in the process. But for right now if I can find another good longlining rod that will be just fine by me. I am thinking that the 7' Shimano Talora Kokanee rod might just do the trick. It has UL power and Moderate/slow action and hopefully someone here in Bend has one for sale on their shelfs. So hopefully Sportsman's Warehouse, Dick's Sportingoods or Bi Mart will have one because I would much rather be able to check it out in person than order offline and it not be what I was hoping for. But when the day comes I get my own small boat guess what's going to be on them?? That' right.

 

[mrmike]

I own 4 Shimano Talora Kokanee Rods 7 ft they are a noodle rod they are not very expensive they have excellent action for Kokanee I think its a great choice I have a few custom rods in the boat but I always have a Talora out I don't long line them because I have DownRiggers . You will be happy with your choice.