F-Bomb thanks for the tip, i will give it try next time. I ended up getting a cannon mini troll over the weekend. Went to LP yesterday and did good at 25-30 feet with the pink sling blade and pink/white hoochie. I forgot to put a snubber in my rig, but still only lost 1 fish. I don't think i will use them anymore, it was a lot better fight without it and more responsive. I did the best in the narrows and within the first 2 hours of sun up. In the flurry of action i didn't realize i had kept a rainbow trout, oh well.
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Fished from Spring Shores this morning from 8 until noon. Two to show for it. Both at 25' on a dodger with either a kokanee killer or a hoochie, both pink. Saw others catching but could not dial in the depth. Any idea where they were today? Got some take downs at the More's Creek inlet but nothing solid. Looked like they were between 25 and 35. Any tips would be appreciated. Oh, one was silver and one was a big buck just turning. He looked a bit mushy. First one was orange and firm.
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Don't know if I can bring myself to help a Vandal. All right...we have an on going battle on the fish collector vessel and the Kokanee Killer is not winning the lure of the year award...if that helps! I think that my comments were that caught the only "thing" it's gonna catch the day you bought it...sucker! Actually I was wrong and it's been wacked a few times but nothing like a hoochie or a wedding ring. His eye fell off and I have some serious doubts about his micro chip! Hasn't had a sniff since the eye issue.
We've also got them fired up on a yellow/red panther martin with silver spinner during some slow times. I'm old school and don't have sixty colors of dodgers and hoochie combos so we stick mostly with the known winners. (red beads wedding ring hammer blades and pink hoochies trailing some flash) Proven fact that fire engine red and pink are getters at LP. The stink you put on your corn makes a huge difference in results..I already posted my recipe. Fishing store guy swears by maggots...so I of course bought some. NoT A SNIFF..so far this season maggots 0 corn about 200 on our outfit.
Rizzy that is a good batch...looks like you have the feel!
We've also got them fired up on a yellow/red panther martin with silver spinner during some slow times. I'm old school and don't have sixty colors of dodgers and hoochie combos so we stick mostly with the known winners. (red beads wedding ring hammer blades and pink hoochies trailing some flash) Proven fact that fire engine red and pink are getters at LP. The stink you put on your corn makes a huge difference in results..I already posted my recipe. Fishing store guy swears by maggots...so I of course bought some. NoT A SNIFF..so far this season maggots 0 corn about 200 on our outfit.
Rizzy that is a good batch...looks like you have the feel!
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Well...even though L.P. is a Boise res, Vandals seem to dominate there nananana. I would agree about the kokanee killer with eyes, not a whole lot of action on those. The smooth pink one has been money. I have also had great luck in the last three years with maggots over corn, but the shoepeg cannot be argued with. My son picked the pink and white hoochie at Cabela's and that has been great. I also added the luminescent skirt last year and it seemed to help. But honestly, I think the speed and depth is the ticket, hence the depth question...
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Vandal you should get yourself a BLUE AND ORANGE #11 hoochie...IT SCORES EVERY TIME! thumbsup
LP just like any compound has it's patterns. I see days when the fish will only take at one consistent setting and speed...sometimes even combined with one direction of your trolling pattern.
Our standard starting program
At LP we pretty much begin the hunt at 15 and 20 on our two dr systems...and fish our known productive lures at 1.5-1.8...looking with the sonar to make sure we don't consistently mark fish deeper. Obviously fishing in the regular spots where the masses are having success. I actually like to not see anything on the sonar in known packed areas...my theory is the fish are being herded away from our boat at that shallow depth plus you only see tiny portions of area at 15ft. Shallow depths I run the contraption further back from the ball thinking it will give the fish time and space to close back in...seems to work!
If we can't connect in a reasonable time at shallow we just keep moving down in 2-3ft increments until we do. Once I get to 25ftish I start setting my contraption closer to the ball like 20ft max. Closer absolutely gives you better hit to hook ratio plus your lure is closer to the actual depth of your ball so you have some idea at what depth the fish will take. Then once again you hunt until you have success and then the absolute KEY to kokanee fishing is to repeat what you just had success on. Same lures..same depth..same speed...and most importantly the same spot as quickly as possible. You can normally get at least two fish from a hot spot and sometimes more so it's a good idea to immediately go right back and try to do the same thing over quickly. Depth is super critical on days when it's not a free for all. That is why it's important to run the same exact stuff so that you are fishing exactly the same depth, action, and speed.
Now when it's slow for us but we see someone else that has the hot hand. Phew that is hard on a guys ego to admit! If you want to catch fish you had better go and try to do what they are doing. A small portion of the fisherman catch a huge portion of the fish. I can observe that hot boat and quickly see the pattern, when the crank up the rig you get a good idea on shallow, medium, or deep, you get an idea on flash and color. Sometimes you'll have similar flash and colors to try then you get to try to guess the depth and you're back at it.
It's always somewhat bewildering to me that guys won't help other people with color and technique out on the water. My buddy is the king a$$hole about such things. I always remind him that we aren't in a fishing contest and this is fun and why wouldn't we want help someone else have fun? I guess his fun is being the envy of some other poor sap that can't catch fish. We aren't guides (and there aren't any at LP or any other place we fish down here) that are competing for success so it's a bit beyond my understanding. It isn't like if I show you some successful stuff then I'm not going to get to catch fish either..there's a lot of them down there!
GO BRONCOS!thumbsup
LP just like any compound has it's patterns. I see days when the fish will only take at one consistent setting and speed...sometimes even combined with one direction of your trolling pattern.
Our standard starting program
At LP we pretty much begin the hunt at 15 and 20 on our two dr systems...and fish our known productive lures at 1.5-1.8...looking with the sonar to make sure we don't consistently mark fish deeper. Obviously fishing in the regular spots where the masses are having success. I actually like to not see anything on the sonar in known packed areas...my theory is the fish are being herded away from our boat at that shallow depth plus you only see tiny portions of area at 15ft. Shallow depths I run the contraption further back from the ball thinking it will give the fish time and space to close back in...seems to work!
If we can't connect in a reasonable time at shallow we just keep moving down in 2-3ft increments until we do. Once I get to 25ftish I start setting my contraption closer to the ball like 20ft max. Closer absolutely gives you better hit to hook ratio plus your lure is closer to the actual depth of your ball so you have some idea at what depth the fish will take. Then once again you hunt until you have success and then the absolute KEY to kokanee fishing is to repeat what you just had success on. Same lures..same depth..same speed...and most importantly the same spot as quickly as possible. You can normally get at least two fish from a hot spot and sometimes more so it's a good idea to immediately go right back and try to do the same thing over quickly. Depth is super critical on days when it's not a free for all. That is why it's important to run the same exact stuff so that you are fishing exactly the same depth, action, and speed.
Now when it's slow for us but we see someone else that has the hot hand. Phew that is hard on a guys ego to admit! If you want to catch fish you had better go and try to do what they are doing. A small portion of the fisherman catch a huge portion of the fish. I can observe that hot boat and quickly see the pattern, when the crank up the rig you get a good idea on shallow, medium, or deep, you get an idea on flash and color. Sometimes you'll have similar flash and colors to try then you get to try to guess the depth and you're back at it.
It's always somewhat bewildering to me that guys won't help other people with color and technique out on the water. My buddy is the king a$$hole about such things. I always remind him that we aren't in a fishing contest and this is fun and why wouldn't we want help someone else have fun? I guess his fun is being the envy of some other poor sap that can't catch fish. We aren't guides (and there aren't any at LP or any other place we fish down here) that are competing for success so it's a bit beyond my understanding. It isn't like if I show you some successful stuff then I'm not going to get to catch fish either..there's a lot of them down there!
GO BRONCOS!thumbsup
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Fishing was a little spotty for me this morning at LP. Had to leave the lake at noon today and only took five fish for the morning. Quite a few boats out for a weekday, but I didn't see many fish taken around Spring Shores. Picked up the first fish on a pink and green homemade spinner behind a pink slingblade at 25 feet. The rest of them were caught on 1 1/2 inch pink hoochies behind a slingblade 25-30 ft. down. Getting out at 7am was not the ticket as has been in the recent past. First fish was caught at 9pm and last was caught at 11am. All the fish were still silver, but the meat on two of them were starting to get soft. The clock is ticking, get out there.signfishin
It was slow for me today as well, hooked 3 and landed 1 first thing in the morning in the area the ospreys were working. Had some light bites occasionally after that, but nothing hooked up. The fish seemed shy today, maybe its time to change my rig, I was using pink sling blade and hoochie at 25-30 feet....
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F-Bomb,
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree with you on all of it. I have a heck of a time repeating my pattern after I hook up, let alolne after both riggers set off. Being by myself I can barely hold it all together, so after the madness is over I can rarely remember where I was exactly and how I was set up precisely. I guess I'll have to break down and start writing crap down.
I also cannot understand why some are so secretive. I love to share tips and help others out. I remember the first year I tried out there and if it wasn't for some friendly folks I would not have returned. I shared some maggotts just the other day and didn't think twice. I hope that fella had more success than me.
Thanks again for the tips I will try again Tuesday and let you know. Sorry about Bleymeier. Even though I am a Vandal, I grew up here and watched BSU grow up as well, and he deserved better than what he got. I hope for your sakes Kustra moves on, he is cancerous in my opinion. Good luck against Georgia! Show 'em how we do it in Idaho. Go Vandals!
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree with you on all of it. I have a heck of a time repeating my pattern after I hook up, let alolne after both riggers set off. Being by myself I can barely hold it all together, so after the madness is over I can rarely remember where I was exactly and how I was set up precisely. I guess I'll have to break down and start writing crap down.
I also cannot understand why some are so secretive. I love to share tips and help others out. I remember the first year I tried out there and if it wasn't for some friendly folks I would not have returned. I shared some maggotts just the other day and didn't think twice. I hope that fella had more success than me.
Thanks again for the tips I will try again Tuesday and let you know. Sorry about Bleymeier. Even though I am a Vandal, I grew up here and watched BSU grow up as well, and he deserved better than what he got. I hope for your sakes Kustra moves on, he is cancerous in my opinion. Good luck against Georgia! Show 'em how we do it in Idaho. Go Vandals!
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Amazing, only Koke fishing could bring a Vandal and a Bronco together. laugh hystlaugh hyst
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Some of my best friends in life are Vandals! Of course I don't fish with them because they will drink all of the beer and then sue me for not buying enough!thumbsup
Truth be known I had a short yet remarkable stay in Moscow. I accomplished in one semester, what took four and sometimes five years for others to get done. You don't think we lost our "amateur status" and ranking as #1 ranked party school in the US by Playboy magazine without my leadership?
On the Bleymeier deal I'm still undecided. I'm bothered by the timing of it all and hope that it doesn't have an ill effect on our number one program. Hearing lots of interesting insight from people that know quite a bit about the situation. I'm ignorant to the complete facts so I'll withhold public judgement. Going to go ahead and lay wager that the next AD is a very dynamic fund raiser! Irregardless of the facts and whether or not Bleymeier deserved the results, I will say that there sure have been some fun and wonderful times associated with BSU athletics so I'll give him credit and thank him for his efforts! I hope the next person can continue the run...kind of look forward to seeing another big time bowl game and really wouldn't mind enjoying a basketball game with 14,000 instead of 2800! Lots more fun...anyways it's all good for the local cause and I guess in someway offers me a personal benefit as a fan and booster.
Truth be known I had a short yet remarkable stay in Moscow. I accomplished in one semester, what took four and sometimes five years for others to get done. You don't think we lost our "amateur status" and ranking as #1 ranked party school in the US by Playboy magazine without my leadership?
On the Bleymeier deal I'm still undecided. I'm bothered by the timing of it all and hope that it doesn't have an ill effect on our number one program. Hearing lots of interesting insight from people that know quite a bit about the situation. I'm ignorant to the complete facts so I'll withhold public judgement. Going to go ahead and lay wager that the next AD is a very dynamic fund raiser! Irregardless of the facts and whether or not Bleymeier deserved the results, I will say that there sure have been some fun and wonderful times associated with BSU athletics so I'll give him credit and thank him for his efforts! I hope the next person can continue the run...kind of look forward to seeing another big time bowl game and really wouldn't mind enjoying a basketball game with 14,000 instead of 2800! Lots more fun...anyways it's all good for the local cause and I guess in someway offers me a personal benefit as a fan and booster.
