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Me and a buddy are heading out this weekend to hit some Kokanee. I have a little 10' boat and downriggers are not an option for me, so I was looking for some advice on getting my gear down there.

Was thinking about just hooking up a dodger with a wedding ring, hootchie, or spoon. So how would I get my gear down there around 20-45ft?

Was thinking either a 3 way swivel, or just hooking up a weight straight through the line, or even a little diver. What would you recommend?

Also, how many ounces should I hook it up with to get down around these depths. I have heard anywhere from .5 ounces to 6 ounces.

Another question I have is, how far away should I put the weight with relation to the dodger or hook?

I do not want to deal with the leaded line, I would like to stick with weights. And remember down-riggers are not an option on this boat, I have them for my bigger boat but cannot use them on this one.

Thank You, and happy fishing!
 
Home made DR.

I know that you said no DR's but you dont have too many other options. You could try useing an old pole & reel heavy enough to hold a pound or so of weight. Just let the weight down to depth. Then I would use a small release with 2 oz. weight attached and let it drop to the weight. The old style metal Shower Curtain Clips work great to hold the 2 oz. weight & the release.

Kokonuts
 
I probable won't be very popular but kokanee dude you don't have to use a dodger with a hoochie to catch kokanee. There been more kokanee caught than I can count using a flasher set up and a wedding ring baited with corn and a worm and some scent. On the flasher system there is a rudder attach a clip to that rudder add 3oz or so. Count your pulls So you can return to the dept you were just at when you hook up. and let out more line add another oz of weight if you want to go deeper for some reason its expected to use down rigger to fish for kokanee can't be further from than the truth. later in the summer the fish get deeper yes but 30 to 45 ft is very durable with out going to a downrigger. This would be extremely in expensive and highly productive. THATS IF THE FISH ARE BITEN. and if the fish are below this dept start to jig very productive. Hoping this helps
 
I've used this with a 9' inflateable pontoon boat and caught kokanee. Get some thin rope and a weight (I used a 6lb downrigger ball but even a rock will do.) Tie a few loops in the rope for your target depths and once your down hook the loop on the boat. Use a regular downrigger clip. This is more precise then an in-line weight for getting to depth and will allow you to feel the fight.

edit: If your set on useing in-line weight here's a chart that might get you in the ballpark but alot depends on your speed and terminal tackle...
http://rednekoutfitters.com/inline_trolling_weight_chart.html
 
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Thank you SilverBullets! Was thinking of doing this but wasn't sure if it would work. I too am in an inflatable so a down-rigger can't be done. I have some parachute line at home I can hook up to a couple of balls to hang over the edge, it is kind of thick line though...I'll bring it along though just in case the weights aren't working.

Could always just use some of that heavy duty halibut line I have lying around, it's a lot thinner then the chute line.

Thanks for the diagram as well, been trying to find something like this for a while now.

Let you guys know how I do this weekend!

P.S. What kind of gear do you use to jig for the kok's?
 
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Here is what I used to do before getting downriggers.

Get a stacker type downrigger clip and bend the round part of the hook that clips on the line so that it will be tighter on the line. I also put surgical tube on it so it wont slip on your line.
I then put a 3 OZ lead on the other end of the clip.

Measure the distance between the face of your reel to the first eye on the rod you will be using. say its 2 feet. Now let your choice of lure and bait out behind the boat as far as you would like to be, I went out around 60 feet or so most of the time. Now attach the clip with weight to your line. lower it to water surface. With a loose drag grab your line in front of the reel face and pull line out until you touch the first eye on your rod you measured to, so about 2 feet of line goes down. So if you want to go down around 20 feet give 10 pulls. Its just an approxamate and speed and blow back etc you wont be at 20 feet but close. Its more important to remeber how many pulls your out when you start catching fish so you can go to the same place everytime. When you catch a fish reel up the 20 feet your down and your clip with weight will come up have your buddy take the weight off and now your fighting just fish. If you have a reel with line counter it even easier.

hope that is somewhat clear.


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kokanee dude...
The rope I used was about 1/4" thick. It did produce blowback but it was alot easier to handle. If you use a thinner diameter you might want to wear some gloves. I've used a set-up like fishslayer mentioned also. I made it useing a red heavy duty Offshore clip...pretty much a Snap Weight.


http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/prod...711&type=product&WT.tsrc=CRR&WT.mc_id=crrdtfd

http://www.dancingloons.com/files/TheRightAngle.pdf

http://www.offshoretackle.com/graphics/instructionsheets/OR20 Snap Weight System Instructions.pdf

edit: As far as jigs most anything in 1/2 to 3/4oz will work...look for bright colors. There's a couple pictures of some of the jigs I use here...
http://www.kokaneefishingforum.com/fishing-forums/album.php?albumid=132
 

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I recently found a diver that seems to work pretty well, although I have only had a limited chance to use it so the jury is still out on overall performance. It is an adjustable diver made by some company called Davis Instruments and can be set for up to 80ft of depth in 5ft incriments. It also rolls over and comes to the surface upon a fish striking it, supposedly. I have only used it fairly shallow as that is where the fish that I was targeting were holding so I don't really know the skinny on fishing deeper, only what their claim is. So far I've been impressed with this diver, more so than any other diver that I've used, but only for fish under 24 inches. Bigger than that and I think it might be too hard on the diver. But this diver has a very limited drag compared to other divers I've used and is much more pleasant to use with light tackle.

As far as not being able to mount a downrigger on an inflatable, that is only your choice. It is quite easy and innexpesive to build a reasonable rowing frame from EMT that is comparable to what is in most river rafts. It may be a simple frame unless you have significant skills but even a simple frame will multiply the performance you can get from your inflatable. I too fish from an inflatable and I love it, but largely because it has a frame which enables me to mount rod holders and fish finders and the such. Mounting a downrigger to your boat would not be that complicated. I don't do that because I don't ordinarily troll for fish and so I don't want it in my way. In a small boat, it doesn't take much for excess gear to get in your way. But if I were to troll a lot, I would not hesitate to install a downrigger on my inflatable, and it wouldn't be one of the cheesy tiny little ones either.

As far as fishing depth with weights, this can be done successfully but you will not necessarily know the depth at which you are reaching fish. You can let your line out to a certain number of pulls and then just keep increasing until you hit fish. As long as you've kept track of how many pulls of line, or how many feet if you have a line counter on your reel, and you know the amount of weight you were using, you will know exactly how to reach that depth again and you can be quite precise about it. And line counters are a pretty cheap add to your rod and will make you much more precise in trolling this way. The big problem with fishing with lead is it takes most all of the fun out of fighting the fish. You'll find you are just dragging them up to the boat to land them. When you can feel that you have them that is.

If it were me, and I wanted to troll for fish, I would definitely install a downrigger on my inflatable. But my second choice, which is the one that I currently use, is a Davis Instruments diver. When I fish for kokes it's usually earlier than this and it is mostly all surface action using jigs. Of the jigs I use, they include, Buzz Bombs, Zingers, Nordics, Gibbs Minnows, P-Line, Tasmanian D's, Crippled Herring and some others custom made jigs that are sold out there. The Gibbs are my favorites and I use them mostly in 1/2 and 1/4 ounce models in either pink or orange, and preferably with some white on them for contrast. If the wind is blowing hard or I need to fish down deep, I will sometimes move up to a 3/4 ounce jig. I usually do not jig for the bottom dwellers but I often will jig for the ones that are suspended between 30 and 70 feet or so. I don't jig for the bottom dwellers because I don't do well with them and I'm usually doing quite well when staying up shallower. I have witnessed others who do very well when jigging on the bottom but they usually are tipping their hooks with some corn or maggots or something. I've found that when jigging in the methods that I prefer, tipping the hooks actually gets me fewer fish than when I don't. I can't speak for everyone but this is what my results have been.

Good luck to you in however you go about it.
 
I do not want to deal with the leaded line, I would like to stick with weights. And remember down-riggers are not an option on this boat, I have them for my bigger boat but cannot use them on this one.

Thank You, and happy fishing!

One method that often goes overlooked, for kokanee and a variety of species, is Offshore Tackle Snap Weights. This method is highly utilized back east for trolling and targeting shallow suspended fish. Google their site and you'll find all kinds of great trolling gear. They work really well for kokanee too, and my hottest lines as of Tuesday are still running under an Offshore Planer board, Offshore 2 oz. snapweight, at about 2 mph, putting the lure around 15 ft.

It's really pretty easy when you want to troll a lure that doesn't dive, like a spoon or spinner, and Offshore calls it the "50/50 method". You simply let out 50 ft of line, attach a snap weight, and let out another 50 ft of line. Depending on your speed and the size of weight your lure will track at the said depth indicated on a dive chart included in the package or in the Precision Trolling book.

The kit only comes with weight up to 3 oz. with at kokanee trolling speed will get you down to about 25 ft. If you Google again, there are some additional dive charts for weights almost double that.

Like I said, this weight system is great for a lot of species and here in Utah I use them to target any species that runs shallow including kokanee, stripers, wipers, walleye, rainbows, and even lake trout in the fall.

Good luck.
 

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