Interesting question....do you need subbers at all period? I fished odell this summer with the wife. the first day we were out on the lake she was out fishing the heck out of me so I rigged my pole with the same thing she had, a ford fender and orange wedding ring. I started getting hits but when I would get them up to the boat they would come off. I was getting pretty frustrated. My wife who is a fair weather fisherman at best says to me, do you have one of those orange strechy things on your line? I said you mean a snubber? I guess she says, I said well of course I do....she then says well I don't...maybe you should take your's off. the rest was history we both limited out. go figure.......