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WW sometimes I will buy a product if it looks promising, especially if it is from a small business to try it out and help some one get started. I can make most anything I need or use for fishing or any thing else for that mater, and it is not always the cheapest but it is what I want, built the way I want. lets face it if we were into saving money we would just go to the store and buy our fish, way cheaper! I did build some smaller flies last night with the help from Daves instructions using the smaller carb clean straws they are a little smaller than the new wd-40 straws and using some heat and an awl flared the hook end to help the skirt from sliding off plus it gave the skirt a little flair and all I had was purple nail polish to paint the string and bond the thread and they came out pretty good, so I will be trying them at greenpeter next week to see how they work and hold up. dfly
 
I guess I never thought my trolling flies were over priced at $5 and $6 . Given the quality of the materials and time involved I thought it was a break even deal. Just trying to give trout and Kokanee fisherman another option that is very productive. Not looking to make any money on these flies, just enough to replace materials.
 
My mistake for just not deleting your first post as we don't self promote for profit here. Good luck in your endeavors.
 
Ok, I'll admit to a lack of understanding. What is the advantage of tying these on a tube as opposed to tying them directly on the hook as most flies are tied? Can someone enlighten me? I found some coffee stirrers and am tying some, but I don't see why they'll be better than just tying to a hook.
 
wrightwyoming said:
yes, very seriously. You will spend a small fortune chasing materials, time involved, and needless trial and error. components to make a truly beautiful fly are expensive and time consuming.
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And I have some beachfront property in the Mojave I can sell to you.

Are you talking about Atlantic Salmon or Kokanee patterns here?

With a vise grip, some materials, some You Tube videos, and a little patience, you can be as creative as you like and the fish won't give a darn :).

But if money is no problem and you're in a hurry, I'm sure WW would love to tie up some for you for a price...

Heck I'll tie them up for you with my hands! They might look ugly but they'll catch fish... :)
 
the main thing with kokanee is we don't want to give them any leverage, that is why every thing from the simple wedding rings to the apex is rigged in a way they can shake the parts away with only the hooks staying in the mouth with nothing to twist against to help dislodge the hooks. and most of us use the dbl. hook setup, one for the mouth and the other usually catches the gill plate. if you tie to the hook you would need a longer single hook which offers more leverage and a better chance the fish will use it to pry the hook out of it's mouth. just my thoughts, others may very. dfly
 
Physion said:
Ok, I'll admit to a lack of understanding. What is the advantage of tying these on a tube as opposed to tying them directly on the hook as most flies are tied? Can someone enlighten me? I found some coffee stirrers and am tying some, but I don't see why they'll be better than just tying to a hook.
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Physion,

Some of us anglers that like to flyfish, especially when chasing steelhead, have found that tying larger patterns (google steelhead intruders) on tubes sliding on the line tied to an octopus hook, is easier than using long shanked hooks, and when the fish hits the fly and hooks it's self, the fly slides on the line and lasts longer because it's less likely to be chewed up by the fish.
 
After making a few, I certainly agree they are easier to tie on a larger tube. Now if they will catch fish as well as the ones I've been using, I'll be a happy camper. I get to try them out on Wednesday and Thursday.
 
Physion said:
Ok, I'll admit to a lack of understanding. What is the advantage of tying these on a tube as opposed to tying them directly on the hook as most flies are tied? Can someone enlighten me? I found some coffee stirrers and am tying some, but I don't see why they'll be better than just tying to a hook.
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The following is not my own writing I'm just paraphrasing from another source but

"Tube flies have been used in Europe for some years now mainly for Steelhead and salmon fishing and have become quite popular in Alaska, Washinton state, Oregon, and BC...many use them as bucktails for salmon in the saltchuck.

Some advantages are the tube and attached fly body will slide up the line away from the hook when bitten, this means the body of the fly will last longer.

You also have more control over fly weight as you can purchase tubes made from aluminum, stainless steel and copper which gives you the option to have same fly bodies with different weights.....The tubes also come in multiple colors

There are now tubes available called bottle tubes that allow you to weight the flies at just the hook bend end......You'll find the tubes at various good fly shops throughout your area they are not new and in fact have been available for some years...Remember Google and Youtube are your friends with availability and instructional videos on how to tie Tube flys.

I understand the posting of direct links is verboten here so I wont direct you to the `Canadian tube fly`site (Mods please accept apologies and delete if not allowable) 101ok101
 
Been tying tube flies for some time now. The advantages are exactly as described. Ball point pen tubes, coffee straws, QTips (break off the cotton ) all work. Spend a little extra for tubes made specifically for flies and you can get all sorts of sparkly colors. As far as materials, marabou has worked best for me - especially wrapped (palmered for you fly tyers) but Flashabou and zonker styles are the ticket some days. I have been tying up some articulated smaller versions of Intruder flies (used for salmon) on streamer hooks with a trailer hook. We'll see how they work. I must have a hundred flies laying around. Gets very addictive. So many materials, so many colors. Also tied some tinsel skirts on tubes to put inside hoochies - easy way to add some more flash or glow depending. I also have tied up some larger trolling flies they use in the Great Lakes for lakers to try out. Don't think the big lakers will chase them down but should pick up the pups and larger bows.
 
DRM said:
OK, what program do we need to install in order to see the pictures.
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I think some folks have trouble seeing that form of photo attachment. I hosted them and posted below:

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Went with my 3 favorite Koke colors and think I might have a fish catcher with this one.

Pink, purple & chartreuse:

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clawman that is what I have been using. the pen tubes are .115 the new wd- 40 straws are .110 and the old ones are .085 quit a bit smaller than the pens

this is how I started out, first the fixens

now I scored on the straws I was talking to my chemical supplier from mount hood chemical about tying tube flies and he said hold on and walked out to his car and came back with a whole pack of the old style straws that they use in the mfg of there products.
now the first thing I did was flair the end so I don't have to worry about the skirt slipping off

now I gathered up the pink and some bling and tied it to the tube using black Kevlar thread

the wrapped and finished with some half hitches

then cut off the excess tube

now ready for the hooks I like the sickle hooks, I use a red #2 forward and a black #4 for the stinger

now push the leader through and almost ready to fish

because of picture limits I didn't show I used black finger nail polish and paint the thread to help bond the threads and keep it from unraveling now you can add a bead and what ever spinner you want if you want to go that way. hope this helps they are pretty fast to make and you can do it in the boat as you are fishing. dfly
 

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