Kokaholic
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Thats Good to hear Tim. Thanks for the Update.thumbsup
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Propnut69
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In last week's local Rock Springs paper then was a article about the water project. Sorry I can't link to it,don't have the on-line version. Any way the article was listing pros and cons about the project. What really caught my eye was where Mr Million stated,that this project would generate 430 million for the local economy. I have to think that any gain financially, would be strictly a short term gain. In all of my research this is the first time I have heard this number.
Now with a politicians first order of business upon being elected,is to get reelected,this scares me.
I really hope that the local.county,and state officials will stay focused,and not let this short term financial gain ,cause them to take their eye off the ball. Over the course of time ,more then one politicians mind has been changed by the all mighty dollar.
Now with a politicians first order of business upon being elected,is to get reelected,this scares me.
I really hope that the local.county,and state officials will stay focused,and not let this short term financial gain ,cause them to take their eye off the ball. Over the course of time ,more then one politicians mind has been changed by the all mighty dollar.
Kokaholic
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I had heard a rumor that this thing was dead, that Millionaire threw in the flag and Lost. But I didnt think that was true. I would have heard more about it had it died.
Thanks for the update Tim.
Thanks for the update Tim.
Propnut69
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Yes Mark ,I had heard the same thing,and how great it would be if he just threw in the towel and let it alone. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen that easy. I think this will take years to come to a decision,,,,,and it will have to go before the state supreme court to be decided. Mr Million has to much money invested in this project to give up now.
Kokaholic
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Yes he does. And I hope it takes more years of appeals and such to tie it up till long after were both dead!laugh hyst
Propnut69
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Army Corps releases Million scoping report
This was in the local fishwrap.
Army Corps releases Million scoping report
Published: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:38 PM MST
It's out -- the scoping report on the Regional Watershed Supply Project proposed by Aaron Million.
The Army Corps of Engineers announced yesterday that the report is on the corps' Web site, www.nwo.usace.army.mil/html/od-tl/eis/RWSP-EIS.html.
The Corps received 1,531 written comments and recorded 571 comments during public meetings conducted over the last 2 years.
The comments received from the public are included in the report. The scoping comment period began in March and ended in September of last year.
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Million proposes to take approximately 250,000 acre-feet of water from the Green River and Flaming Gorge Reservoir and transport it by pipeline to reservoirs in southeastern Wyoming and the Front Range of Colorado.
The plan has met with stiff opposition, not only from Southwestern Wyoming, but some Colorado residents, as indicated by the comments.
"I have lived along the Front Range and, for the last 8 years, in Southeastern Wyoming. The Million project strikes me as one of those water projects that, if constructed, will lead future generations to shake their heads at our shortsightedness," wrote one opponent.
Others who are against the project cite the danger to fish and wild life as well as the threat of continued drought.
While most names on the comments have been redacted, one opponent from Reliance, Leon Rogina, a former employee of the Bureau of Reclamation, said reducing the water level affects the amount of electricity which can be produced at Fontenelle Reservoir.
In all, 30 areas of critical concern were identified through the scoping period and will be addressed by the Corps.
The next opportunity for public comment on the project will be after the release of the draft environmental impact statement at an as yet undetermined date. However, the Corps estimates it will take 5 years to complete the final EIS.
The Communities Protecting the Green River Committee will meet at the Rock Springs Chamber Monday at noon.
The committee meeting is open to the public.
This was in the local fishwrap.
Army Corps releases Million scoping report
Published: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:38 PM MST
It's out -- the scoping report on the Regional Watershed Supply Project proposed by Aaron Million.
The Army Corps of Engineers announced yesterday that the report is on the corps' Web site, www.nwo.usace.army.mil/html/od-tl/eis/RWSP-EIS.html.
The Corps received 1,531 written comments and recorded 571 comments during public meetings conducted over the last 2 years.
The comments received from the public are included in the report. The scoping comment period began in March and ended in September of last year.
*
Million proposes to take approximately 250,000 acre-feet of water from the Green River and Flaming Gorge Reservoir and transport it by pipeline to reservoirs in southeastern Wyoming and the Front Range of Colorado.
The plan has met with stiff opposition, not only from Southwestern Wyoming, but some Colorado residents, as indicated by the comments.
"I have lived along the Front Range and, for the last 8 years, in Southeastern Wyoming. The Million project strikes me as one of those water projects that, if constructed, will lead future generations to shake their heads at our shortsightedness," wrote one opponent.
Others who are against the project cite the danger to fish and wild life as well as the threat of continued drought.
While most names on the comments have been redacted, one opponent from Reliance, Leon Rogina, a former employee of the Bureau of Reclamation, said reducing the water level affects the amount of electricity which can be produced at Fontenelle Reservoir.
In all, 30 areas of critical concern were identified through the scoping period and will be addressed by the Corps.
The next opportunity for public comment on the project will be after the release of the draft environmental impact statement at an as yet undetermined date. However, the Corps estimates it will take 5 years to complete the final EIS.
The Communities Protecting the Green River Committee will meet at the Rock Springs Chamber Monday at noon.
The committee meeting is open to the public.
Kokaholic
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Ok, Tim what is your take on this? I read it and I think it sounds like there was much opposition and that leads me to believe thats a good thing to keep ol daddy big bucks from gettin what he wants.
True? False?
True? False?
Bduck
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After reading it myself, its sounds like there alot of opposition. Is this an indication that someone just got an a$$ whoopin' and there's more where that came from? How much more is Million going to keep going before he realizes he has to throw in the towel?
Kokaholic
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I have spoke with some of my Family that is and was involved in Politics in Wyoming and know and are very familar with Million. He is a very very wealthy man that has been able to get just about anything he wants for a long time and is not used to taking no for an answer. He is gonna be a tough one to make go away im afraid.
Money seems to always win out. Roger, can you say Northern Cal vs. Southern Cal? Before Arnold is done, even more Sac River system water will be sent down south for the idiots that want to build in a desert. 2,000 comments is nothing. The decision makers can ask themselves, "Would I rather piss off 2,000 people or line my pockets?"
Kokaholic
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Very good Points Dave. I know that your right in your guys situation down there, I just hope that it works the oppisite for us up here
Bduck
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There also has been talks of dividing Calif into to two seperate states for years. Ha, that won't happen. Some of those linings would be torn away if it was to happen.
skookum9
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Unfortunately, SuperD, enough of those southern Californian's have moved up here to Oregon that they've destroyed my state too. I'm in the process right now of finding work in another state so I can run away from this insanity and get back to a more simple way of life. I just hope I can find a place that has enough work to keep me in the fishing and enough brook trout and kokanee fishing to keep me happy. I think it's just a different way of thinking down there in So Cal.
Propnut69
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Mark,my take is as it always has been. this project cannot not be allowed to happen. Yes there is a lot of opposition to this,but as it's been pointed out Arron Million has very deep pockets. I still feel that the final say will come from the state supreme court. I believe that Mr Million has until the end of march to tell the Army Corp of Engineers,who the end user will be. Then after that happens ,it will help the opposition to have a better understanding of who all the players are in this game.
Believe me the people of sweetwater county are watching as to how our county commissioners are proceeding with their opposition.One of the things that really has me concerned is the fact the the county could see a short term economic boom from this. We all know that almost any politician 's mind can be changed by the all mighty dollar.
Believe me the people of sweetwater county are watching as to how our county commissioners are proceeding with their opposition.One of the things that really has me concerned is the fact the the county could see a short term economic boom from this. We all know that almost any politician 's mind can be changed by the all mighty dollar.
Kokaholic
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your right Tim and I agree with you. It CANT GO THROUGH!
Bduck
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We are stuck with the Burbot situation but hopefully public opinion can beat out Mr. Million. I agree with Tim & Mark. It can't go through. SuperD, its still a great place to retire and puts you in such a location to visit the surrounding states for the fishing frenzies. Just make sure you get a good snow thrower for the winters. laugh hyst
Let me know when a place on your street becomes available and I'll just use yours. thumbsup laugh hyst Actually, I thought I'd just pack up and leave for the Winter when the first snow flake fell. You can come visit me at Powell for some stripers.
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Although a newcomer to the Gorge and it's fantastic fishery, I have been reading these posts....I chimed in last year about this and I will add my 2 cents again...Raise some money through donations from everyone who fishes
the Gorge, the Green River below the Dam (Tons of flyfisherman!) and anyone else you can...I'm telling you Public opposition is fine and might cause delays but with the end result being the same...So....Get a good lawyer, a fisherman hopefully, and start planning to tie this thing up in court...If the real estate economy turns positive again within 6-7 years, this Million guy will do whatever it takes to get this done...At this point he is probably only trying to satisfy investors for this deal he is trying to see through....You guys need to make this very hard for him to do....simply saying we don't want it is not enough...Raise $100,000 and start planning...Call it the "Save the Flaming Gorge Res. Org." or something like that....please take my advice...I've seen what politicians do here in Calif.
When it comes to money, they don't give a flying F***k about fisheries
This guy will spout off about how he is going to create jobs, boost economies, etc, etc...He will make it sound sooooo good. There has to be at least 5000 people who fish the Gorge, use it for recreation, fish the Green river below the dam and who would be willing to donate to a good cause.....5000 x ?= substantial financial bank account for the cause...
Does anyone kn ow how to set up a .org for this?.....I can donate money,
but I don't know how to do the tech stuff, plus I'm in Calif....Effort plus a plan equals success............Mike
the Gorge, the Green River below the Dam (Tons of flyfisherman!) and anyone else you can...I'm telling you Public opposition is fine and might cause delays but with the end result being the same...So....Get a good lawyer, a fisherman hopefully, and start planning to tie this thing up in court...If the real estate economy turns positive again within 6-7 years, this Million guy will do whatever it takes to get this done...At this point he is probably only trying to satisfy investors for this deal he is trying to see through....You guys need to make this very hard for him to do....simply saying we don't want it is not enough...Raise $100,000 and start planning...Call it the "Save the Flaming Gorge Res. Org." or something like that....please take my advice...I've seen what politicians do here in Calif.
When it comes to money, they don't give a flying F***k about fisheries
This guy will spout off about how he is going to create jobs, boost economies, etc, etc...He will make it sound sooooo good. There has to be at least 5000 people who fish the Gorge, use it for recreation, fish the Green river below the dam and who would be willing to donate to a good cause.....5000 x ?= substantial financial bank account for the cause...
Does anyone kn ow how to set up a .org for this?.....I can donate money,
but I don't know how to do the tech stuff, plus I'm in Calif....Effort plus a plan equals success............Mike
